Forget about the cast from the Bromptongate debacle - Bikehop Director Lawrence Lim, NParks Director Bernard Lim, Procurement Manager Wesley Su - this one could be a bigger blockbuster.
M Ravi - Lawyer representing Mdm Vellama Marie Muthu in Hougang by-election case
Eye witnesses who saw him in action at Supreme Court No. 3B on Monday morning of 16 Jul 2012 at 10am did not think anything was amiss when he presented Mdm Vallema's case before Justice Philip Pillai.
Justice Philip Pillai - the presiding judge
He was reported to be upset with the surprise intrusion into his Court room, characterised the action of the party crasher as “unprecedented” and admonished him accordingly, "How is it you have the audacity to come and turn up in court when you don't even have an application?"
David Chong - Chief Counsel, Attorney-General's Chambers
The Attorney-General's Chambers (AGC) has clarified that it “didn’t know about this letter at all”. Also, it did not ask that Mr Ravi be prevented from arguing the Hougang by-election case.
Wong Siew Hong - representative from Law Society of Singapore (LAWSOC), Director of local law firm Infinitus Law Corporation
This maverick's cameo performance is best described by the account of one observer in court:
"While the AG was speaking, a lawyer representing the Law Society (whom I shall call "the LS lawyer") entered the Court with a companion in tow. The LS lawyer wore the Court gown, thus indicating that he wanted to address the Court; his companion (whom I recognised to be an employee of the Law Society) was in long sleeved office shirt, no jacket. They stood conspicuously there at the side, between the AG and the Judge.
"The LS lawyer held in his hand a transparent sheet protector containing a single piece of paper which looked like a letter. The AG stopped his presentation and said to the Judge something like he was agreeable "to yield" to the LS lawyer. But the Judge seemed to indicate to AG to finish his submission without interruption, so the AG continued speaking. As it was obviously awkward for the LS lawyer and his companion to remaining standing where they were, they then walked to sit down on available chairs.
After the Hearing, I found out that the LS lawyer had wanted to interrupt the Court proceedings to present a letter alleging that M Ravi was unfit to practise law."
A spokesperson for LAWSOC has confirmed that “The Law Society informed the judge of the contents of the letter as it felt that it was in the public interest to do so, and as officers of the court. To be clear, there was no application whatsoever by the Law Society to in any way prevent Mr Ravi from appearing in Court.”
Dr Fones Soon Leng Calvin - psychiatrist in private practice, Gleneagles Medical Centre.
Since LAWSOC denies any attempt to prevent Mr Ravi from appearing in Court, why did the good doctor write ”we may have to impose the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) Act upon him" ? The plural we is normally used to denote oneself and another or others, except when used by royalty in the singular, or someone affected with illusions of grandeur.
Guess who's the cuckoo bird in this production?
The doctor's letter said the medical review took place on 14th May ( the picture of the letter is clear). Why was this issue with his mental state not raised till July?
ReplyDeleteM Ravi was examined on 14 July, for about 10 minutes. Good enough to declare him unsound.
DeleteDr Fones was not sound enough to get the date correct. Wonder what he charges for consultation?
DeleteFrom the movie : -
DeleteNurse Ratched says “you do understand: everyone… must follow the rules” and McMurphy replies with "ya know - that is the ex-act thing somebody always tells me about the rules... just when they figure I'm about to do the dead opposite"
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In this cuckoo land here, not only in the psychiatric wards but in the society’s politics, and in the minds of the people who are increasingly being oppressed and their liberties being stolen, M Ravi is like McMurphy as a sort of defender of individual freedom in a place where liberties don’t really exist.
Tattler, you are missing another character. The 'ward' -- hougang ward.
And the need for a stronger Opposition presence in parliament continues to grow.
ReplyDeleteA rolling stone gathers no moss.
DeleteWow, doctor and lawsoc tact team huh. Wonder who the puppet master is.
ReplyDeleteThey are dispensible by their master. By now and for a long while they will be under the public's scrutiny. At the end of the day they should ask if it was the right thing to do. Was it worth it? Like kamikazes, they are fighting a lost cause. So pitiful.
It looks like what the Malaysian did to Anwar, only this time they played the cuckoo's nest rather than the arse-hole bandit ploy. Character assassination!
ReplyDeleteSo did the same & sane doctor wrote this paper on medical ethics :-
ReplyDelete3) Respect the patient, including:
a) giving autonomy in making decisions
b) providing full and honest disclosure (veracity), and
c) ensuring confidentiality (fidelity)
http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/pcm/book/9.pdf
According to M Ravi, he felt well enough and said he didn't need adjournment. Did the doctor respect that decision? And under what circumstances did the Dr decide to disclose this confidentiality to Law Society, instead of the Employer or the patient or patient's family?
Or is this just a fancy theory not to be practiced?
"It is good clinical pratice to still inform the patient of medical information that has to be released under legal requirement even if the patient prefers non-disclosure." - "Principles of Medical Ethics and the Law", by Calvin Fones.
DeleteQuite obviously the doctor doesn't practise what he preaches. Either that, or he plagiarised the whole article.
Ya, wonder what kind role model or bad example the doctor will give the next time he face other doctors and students at nus. Hope he can come out and confess who made him do it and ask for forgiveness from Mr Ravi.
DeleteI want to know if the medical council condone this?
DeleteThen I want to know why LoS made such a schizophrenic move then denounce its member is acting on his own personal accord?
Who are the real guns behind pushing the manic button?
Can we have the members of the law society and psychiatrist Fones examined by another outstanding well-known psychiatrist Ang Yong Guan to see if they are fit for duty ?
ReplyDeleteJudge Pillay is definitely sound.
DeleteThis kind of drama, righfully belongs to a Channel 5 or 8 local production.
ReplyDeleteIn a Singapore Court of Law? By The Law Society of Singapore?
Wow, cite me for contempt.
Luckily, the Good Justice was not amused, as he should be.
First we have rotary club, then we have AGC, then we have law society to protect the family and ruling party.
ReplyDeleteMay I know if this is corruption at best ? Anyone can answer this simple question ? Yes or No ?
and CPIB under manipulation of political will ? Are we still living in paradise ?
Dont forget waffles.
Deletewaffles who?
DeleteHa ha ha ha. . . Truffles or duffles whats his name. He was on channel news asia and he make woman face like new.
DeleteBipolar disorder is a fairly common illness and can be managed with medication, and the person can remain highly functional individual. Is there a need for such abrupt intrusion (contempt?) just when this Hougang-BE case concerning the public interest is about to go trial? One can't help but notice and question the repeated timing to remove the trial, instead of letting justice takes its course.
ReplyDeleteIn any event, if Mr Ravi is unable to fulfil this role, I hope there are other good lawyer out there who will step in on behalf of the citizens on the 'ultimate discretion' of the PM.
//”we may have to impose the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) Act upon him" ? //
DeleteWhy? Is he a pilot flying a Boeing 747 filled with passengers tomorrow?
Agree with you. Have personally known/seen some really brilliant folks who has Bipolar really perform at the top of their game..there is genius in some of their madness. Some people just see them as time-bomb because it doesn't fit the "selective messiness" one defines.
"One can't help but notice and question the repeated timing to remove the trial, instead of letting justice takes its course"
ReplyDeleteCan you please tell me where else in the world can such repeatedly coincidences that benefit the PAP happen unless it is deliberate ? It is not the first time it happens.
If PAP can produce such positive coincidence, how come that they lost so much billions in bad investment ?
Recall reading an ST statistic that 1 in 10 Singaporeans have mental illness. By that definition, the govt is saying a good 10% are unfit electorate too. When you run this place like a mad house (and they think it's hothousing talents), you have to wonder why you still need more spurs.
ReplyDeleteAny grounds for the medical council to jump on Dr Fones for violating patient/client confidentiality? Does constant exposure to too many nut cases make one a cuckoo bird?
ReplyDeleteAny grounds for dr fones to determine mr Ravi's condition based on only 10 mins with him? The case stinks real bad of miw bo. The only "ground" of this comedic episode is to try and keep Mr Ravi grounded from representing his client.
ReplyDeleteThe hidden hand moved. Whoever sanctioned it ended up with both outcomes:
ReplyDelete1. Undermining Ravi... but only to the gullible.
2. Undermining the inner circle... utterly beyond redemption.
In the quiet recesses, physically and mentally, the intelligentsia all echoed at the same time: WTF?
Another nail in the coffin.
Doctor and lowsoc are the sparks, served to provide the trigger for the msm to do the next damage. All the while hoping for mr Ravi to say something wrong. We had seen it before.
DeleteDr Susan Lim
ReplyDeleteDr Woffles Wu
Dr Calvin Fones
What ails the Singapore medical fold?
I'm sure most of us will kind of have their occassional mood swings once in a while. But if someone else wants to commit you to a mental institution, do you think that is going a bit too far ?
ReplyDeleteMany defence lawyers often make use of bipolar disorder to mitigate for their client's offences. Now it looks like the Law Society instead is doing a reverse by arguing that a lawyer with such a medical condition is not fit to practise.
If that is the case, is the Law Society now saying that people with bipolar disorders shouldn't become lawyers in the first place ?
Talking about professional ethics, it it proper for any psychiatrist or doctor to expose or reveal his/her patient's confidential records to the whole world ?
Or are they merely trying to fix him just like our PM once joked that he has to spend so much of his precious time to fix the opposition if there are too many of them ?
Read one interesting comment at TREmeritus, something about cannot jail him, cannot make him bankrupt so try to portray him as crazy. Reminds me of all the "dissidents" (portrayed by msm) being put away, bankrupt, forced to flee the country because they dare to speak up.
DeleteIs Wong Siew Hong acting on his own, or a proxy? Who feels so threatened by M Ravi that he/she/they wants to institutionalize him or have him barred from practising law? Curioser and curioser.
DeleteShould we stop a one legged man from becoming a lawyer?
ReplyDeleteOf course not!
So why should we stop a person with bipolar disorder from becoming a lawyer?
We should not discriminate against a disabled person.
Especially in the case of lawyers.
The quality of a lawyer is judged by the quality of his legal arguments before trained judges.
It cannot get more meritocratic than this.
Let the judge decide in open court if Ravi's legal arguments is mentally sound.
This is the best way to settle the argument.
If Ravi talks rubbish.
The judge will shut him up very quickly I'm sure.
Lawyer profession in the spotlight. Is lawsoc harming lawyers as a whole? Would any reputable lawyer want to work in singapore now?
DeletePolitical abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union
ReplyDeleteSOURCE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
Not just in Soviet Union.
DeleteThis is a very common tactic by the Chinese in China.
http://worldcrunch.com/china-silencing-opponents-trip-psychiatric-ward/3368
http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/9079/
First, the doctor violates doctor-patient confidentiality.
ReplyDeleteKnowing that, the LAWSOC still makes public pronouncement of the confidential/private information. Do they have no ethics at all? Is this even legal? If they get some dirt from third party using unscrupulous/illegal means, they will still use that information as evidence?
That said, the threat here is that the State can put M Ravi in mental health confines as it wishes. What a country!
Statement from Law Society.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.publichouse.sg/categories/community/item/694-mr-wong-had-acted-very-much-on-his-own-law-society
Relax.
DeletePM Lee says there is need to be "messy selectively".
It's all good.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/pm-lee-talks-about-need-to-be--messy-selectively-.html
" He (Wong Siew Hong) decided to go to Court on his own volition with Dr Fones' information."
Delete"LSS (Law Society) is confident that it has discharged its duties properly and in good faith."
Looks like both parties are bipolar, and need to seek psychiatric help urgently. Refer Dr Fone's prognosis - "lacks any insight into his condition, as is often the case for many patients who relapse".
Law Society President Wong Meng Meng is the guy who 's initiative to provide business class air tickets for council members travelling on business for the society was challenged by Association of Criminal Lawyers in Singapore (ACLS) president Subhas Anandan?
DeleteLaw Society had the decency to clarify that the psychiatrist was actually appointed by M Ravi instead of the Law Society.
DeleteSo why then did Dr Fones sent the letter addressed to Law Society. If Wong was indeed acting on his own accord (we were told through the weekend), why didn't the letter address to Mr Wong personally? Was the moves by Dr Fones driven by the incident at the temple on Sunday or something more?
Has this anything to do with the "complexity" that PM Lee has mentioned?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.todayonline.com/CommentaryandAnalysis/Commentary/EDC120717-0000009/What-is-the-policymaker-to-do?
Amazing, unbelievable...but then again, stranger things have happened. The only difference is now, with Technology, their stupidity is being shown up for all to see.
ReplyDeleteLowsoc, what have you done? What is your purpose in life? Who's interest do you serve? Justice and equality for the people or only that of miw? Who will be your next Wong? Not just netizens, the whole world is watching.
DeleteWell, something is consistent throughout the saga
ReplyDelete1) Judge Pillai deemed him competent and coherent in court while he presented his case.
2) His employer Ms Netto also defended her charge & said he performed well.
3) Eye-witness accounts that he discharged his duties per normal
4) His clients are all still retaining him
So how did the Doctor & Lawyer come to conclusion he is unfit is beyond me. And as a concern to public, can we still trust the doctor/lawyer patient & client confidentiality code?
10 minutes examination can determin the seriousness of a sickness? Wow, what super doctors we have here in Singapore? Hey, did he really got his degree through proper channel? 10 minutes, minus 5 minutes talking to patients, you only got less than 5 minutes to conduct tests, if any at all. Only super doctor can give a full dianogsis of a condition. The rest of doctors can only suspect unless subjected to further tests.
DeleteWhats happening in Singapore men? I am disgusted at all the happenings recently.
Apparently, the doctor has been his ongoing psychiatrist for awhile. Until we hear it from him, we'll never know how he came to the prognosis to 'straitjacket' him with such short notice. Curious.
DeleteAnother consistent theme you have overlooked.
DeleteLaw Society tried to block M Ravi's trials, each pertaining to
1) Hougang BE on PM's unfettered discretion
2) SDP on illegal assembly
3) KJ on MAS loan to IMF
Conincidences? You draw your own conclusion how this is going to end.
I do not know about the rest but I am enjoying the new "normal". I like the way the demigods and their institutions are falling over heals in making themselves look like idiots. I guess they have not realised that the netizens are much more resourceful than them when it comes to digging up information and questioning every move.
ReplyDeleteI simply loved the comedy put up by "Acting Goodu Chambers a.k.a AGC". Best Comedy since "Mad" and Spy versus Spy
it's a one-bird-three-stone strategy to have ravi declared unfit for duties. don't forget ravi is representing three potentially embarrassing cases for the familee:
ReplyDelete1. imf loan
2. by election
3. sdp illegal assembly
tattler, many thanks for putting faces to the names. out of the five faces, at least two are sharing the same bed. oh, scratch that, it's a threesome!
one is in the dark, the two other have breached their professional COCs, or codes of conduct, respectively.
Excellent piece. One of the best !
ReplyDeleteSo we are now learning from the ex-USSR and China?
ReplyDeleteOr the other way round,are they all learning from us?
Fantastic casting!
ReplyDeleteSo who's the movie director in this sorrywood industry?
Whoever behind it, this movie director surely deserve a nomination in grammy award ! Things getting very suspenseful and exciting now. I can say it is better thrill than watching Blair Witch Project movie.
DeleteThis episode is likely to add to and defend Alex Aw for what he feared - too many hidden mercenaries at work.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who sees a shrink ought to have his head examined.
ReplyDeleteWonder if dr fones do what he did to mr Ravi to his other customers too. How many of his patients was sent to imh by himself?
ReplyDeleteWho say Singapore is a boring place ? Look, it is so dramatic. Each day is a epic episode. Any know what is the happy ending ?
ReplyDeleteThe Association of Criminal Lawyers of Singapore has come out to criticise the Law Society of Singapore!
ReplyDeleteIs there no good man in the Singapore Medical Council to shed light whether Dr Fones has acted proper in his professionalism?
Doctors are to save patients, not to go around smearing or accusing people.
ReplyDeletefor dr fones, his mission is to stop mr ravi at all cost so it no longer matters what people think of him or his profession...his master is very desperate now
DeleteIt's clear as day now the "we" in ”we may have to impose the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) Act upon him" refers to Wong Siew Hong and Calvin Fones. Will they try radioactive poisoning next?
ReplyDeleteM Ravi is suing lawyer Wong and the Lawless Society.
ReplyDeleteHe will oso be writing to the SMA to complain about
what the psychiatrist Fones did.
GOOD-O!!!
The arms and legs of the PAPigs must now be shitting in their pants!
ReplyDeleteA-Ha-A-Ha-A-Ha-Ha-Ha......................
A taste of their own medicines?
ReplyDeleteWhat a comedy. Reminds me of Wong sa ye Fones.