Once again playing fast and loose with statistics, Teo Chee Hean said that Singapore's density will be 13,000 people per sq m, lower than Hong Kong's 22,000 per sq m. According to the World Bank report published in 2012, the Hong Kong figure was last reported at 6,782 in 2010. The difference is looking at Hong Kong the island, and Hong Kong the country.
Recall the prime minister telling a gathering organised by the Institute of Public Studies (IPS), "a lot of things are not going to be written down."
What they wrote down in the White Paper on population issues, the so-called "Three Pillars" to support the future country;
First, Singaporeans form the core of our society. To be strong and cohesive,we we must have a strong Singapore core;
Second, our population and workforce must support a dynamic economy that can steadily create good jobs and opportunities to meet Singaporeans' hopes and aspirations;
Third, we must continue to keep Singapore a good home.
What they obviously did not write down, and keeping hidden from us:
First, the core of our Singaporean identity is being diluted by the intake of foreign elements. By weakening the core, the strength and cohesiveness demonstrated recently at Punggol East will be eroded;
Second, the population and workforce will be the batteries to fuel a economy that benefit the elites and their cronies, who own two cars ("My wife own one and I own one, we are both professionals" - colorectal surgeon). The good jobs will be there, but not for the mere mortals. We will be crammed into public transport - squashed together with the legions of aliens - while the shrinking car population will be reserved only for the super rich;
Third, Singapore Inc of the future will be Hotel Singapore, playground and home of the jet setting upper caste, and not just from Northern India. We were once told if we have ownership of our HDB flats, we will have a stake to defend and bear arms for. Now we are mere jagas doing guard duty for the mansions and penthouses of the non-citizens.
At the same IPS conference, Lee confessed his team didn't have 20/20 foresight, just the myopia which led to the infrastructure strain of today. He asked, "Should we have said... Let's forget about the growth, we don't need the IRs (integrated resorts), we don't need the extra jobs, we just stay where we were?" The answer is a "yes, yes, and yes". Ask your colorectal surgeon - if the growth is malignant, it's best to cut it off quickly. We can't afford to wait for another, "Next time, we will try to do better." Sheesh, to think the guy has been in office since 1984.
Yes, you are right, I check with Wikipedia. Singapore is indeed ahead (3rd) of Hong Kong (4th) in terms of population density. We don't call Teo big nose for nothing. He lies like a Pinocchio and that explains why his nose so big. And what do you expect from Shitty Times from Singapore Prostitute Holdings. They never bother to fact check and goes with the flow, like George Yeo. I hope all of them will be flush down the toilet come 2016.
ReplyDeleteIts an "honest mistake" lah.
DeleteOoop sorry .. we just lack "20/20 forecast". No one can forsee this kind of things ...
Oops sorry again .. its some low level person who made an error lah. He's been fired already.
In the words of Khaw Boon Wan when he's caught making a mistake, "lets move on".
I was also just reading some stats trying to understand the great difference in population densities as reported in the Straits Times. So they did it by using Hong Kong Island instead of the entire SAR!!
DeleteNo wonder someone's known as Pinocteo on SBF.
Singapore already has a denser population than HK.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Singapore population/sq km 7,546 (or 19,544 per sq mile)
Hong Kong population/sq km 6,482 (or 16,788 per sq mile)
Someone is doing strange massaging of data.
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1138894/singapore-population-push-throws-spotlight-hong-kong
DeleteSomebody please ask Khaw Boon Wan to come clean on the numbers.
Hullo, we're still waiting for an explanation of the $8 heart bypass and you want him to explain this complicated sum involving more than One number? Be real!
DeleteThey actually have another Paper where the Real # , including the real target population of 8.8 million etc... It is called the Black Paper !
DeleteBlack ink on black paper. How neat.
Ok, ok. My imagination. But not too far fetch, no ?
All Singaporeans should stand up and make yourself counted at the next GE. Do not support traitors in white. We must make PAP the opposition party by 2016. Don't hesitate now. Your children's future is at real stake. PAP is no longer with the citizens. Vote out the dud PM.
ReplyDeleteHong Kong island is like the CBD of Singapore. Why are they comparing the population density of an island with that of a country? How do they come up with a figure of 22,000? I think this smells like a Nigerian scam bigger than AIM-gate itself. Can CPIB investigate the whole cabinet?
ReplyDeleteIt gets curiouer and curiouser, as Alice in Wonderland said. This morning we read in the ST that Singtel sold its stake in the Pakistani telco Warid Telco for S$186 million. Singtel bought the stake for US$750.Yet Singtel tells us that the estimated losses is S$230 million "including the foreign currency transaction losses ans transaction costs." A simple arithmetic calculation will give at least a loss of US$600 million. Are we in Alice`s Wonderland?
ReplyDeleteYes. We all are!
DeleteWe are in the Matrix....
DeleteThese jokers can't do simple sums lah. The mathematician among them is busy with vision problems, which have been affecting him, his Cabinet and the civil service.
Well at least hong kong citizens have the right of abode in mainland china,they can work and live permanently in china,but where can we go in singapore.
ReplyDeleteThey fail or rather ignore land needed for defense installations etc which HK does not have this burden. Can't we even hold a referendum on this?
ReplyDeletelooks like we are close to reaching boiling point
ReplyDeleteRubbish, we're there, NOW, this moment!!!!
DeleteGot the guts to join the protest on Feb 16?
If there is a tumour, cut it out. PAP is the tumour. Cut it out, before it is too late.
ReplyDeleteThat means we can't wait for 2016 to do so. You know how fast tumours grow, especially when they're the aggressive sort....
DeleteIf you all wait till GE 2016 to make your voice heard, I can guarantee you that your voice won't even be raised at all in that sea of cacophony that will ensue with the extra 1 million people on the island from elsewhere. It's not just your votes anymore.
DeleteThere will be no hope, no aspiration, no home and no Singaporean by 2030. The "three pillars" support nothing in future and do you think the PAP government really care?
ReplyDeleteIf they really care, they would have approached falling total fertility rate and aging population head-on and not turned them into drivers for more foreigners.
If Singaporeans still want hope, aspiration and home, they will have to go their own way. There is some path that we should not go, especially one that leads us over the cliff.
Have you looked at the three pillars supporting Marina Bay Sands? Lots of money rolling in from foreigners.
Deletewhat is the mean " CONCERN" .Only one thing come into my mind . Is about the " numbers" ,eventually the "new" comer with be the "new" citizen , by then it help
ReplyDeleteto neutralize the vote that the " white" are losing, everythings is accounted for.
Only 30% of HK land is habitable, thus the concentrated density. The rest 40% goes to country parks and natural reserves. Plus they have 260+ outlying islands that the people can get out to for fresh air and activities. Where would Singaporeans go to? The answers is - everywhere/anywhere as long as it's not Singapore! That's the intention of the PAP now..clear as day. They are losing the ground support of the core singaporeans, so their strategy is to bring more to gain the new support from the new citizens.
ReplyDeleteUnder his 20/20 foresight, he claims he should have done more. Yeah, we now know..he wished he had done it sooner and quicker to that magic number 7m before the real singaporeans would wake up. IF 2011 is watershed, 2016 will be tsunami. Instead of asking Opposition party to work harder, please lah, go vote harder!! They are literally pissing acid rain on us #$%@*&
PAP is telling us - this is our plan. If you don't like, then don't vote for us lor. Singaporeans MUST realize WE HAVE A CHOICE. There is no need to Lan Lan. All Sinkies must get together and chart OUR destiny, not PAP's!!!
ReplyDeleteI have been wondering why no one is using the word "dilute".
ReplyDeleteThank you, Tattler !
Welcome to the monaco of the East!
ReplyDeleteIf Macau is a country, it will top the first most densely populated country. But since it's not, Sinkies can claim that #1 rank again.
In 4 decades, the father has killed all the opposition politicians. In another half decade, the son will kill off all the opposition singaporeans. Bravo bravo!! The next GE campaign headline threat they will leave on the table is - You want PAP, or No PAP! World class indeed.
LKY tells Singaporeans to be wary of rogue governments. We have one now!!
ReplyDeleteCan someone tell me, if this is the outcome of the National CON? Really?!
ReplyDeleteDid those of you who participated in it actually give consent to 7m? Really?
Even a prata man knows is time to go buy and speculate more properties because it will keep going up. IF everybody wants to be landlord and just collect rent tell me, how is that real productivity going to translate into GDP growth? Instead of admitting more strangers into our homeland whom we then turn them into economic digits, why don't we admit more ideas and innovation that can truly make a difference for the little red dot instead. And no, we don't need elite MIW who take "bad practices" from other countries who have already gone done that path to tell us that is the way forward..(to the cliff). What we need urgently are fresh ideas , out of box ideas and bold ideas that will catapult us to do things bravely, and differently!
We need first world ideas that is going to come out from Singaporeans!! Don't let them tell you otherwise!
National Con is useless unless people talk freely. Don't chose who to attend for a start.
DeletePeople here don't have the time to kick back and think of ideas.
Delete//People here don't have the time to kick back and think of ideas.//
DeleteIsn't that what we pay million dollars salaries to politicians for? Not for them to do part time work, seat on 10-20 boards as paying directors, and delegate all the town counciling and MPS jobs to PA networks..If they don't want to do the grind work, and don't have time to do the thinking work, then WHAT exactly are they paid to do? Other than sleeping on the jobs literally and figuratively speaking?!!!
http://www.gov.hk/en/about/abouthk/factsheets/docs/population.pdf
ReplyDeleteMore than half of hongkongers have scooted off to UK or Canada before the 1997 handover, and the remainder are now left to compete with their mainland cousins. They can't even get their population and housing mix right, with protests constantly aimed at CY Leung, why do we think Dr Cheung has all the 'right answers" ?
DeleteWhile Hongkies can have unlimited access to work in their motherland, do Singaporeans have access to another motherland say Malaysia/JB to seek alternative living/working?
You haven't heard? We are planning on annexing Johor. First the Iskandar region, then...
DeleteLots of folks here are moving thataway, as they're fed up with the crowds and high prices here. The higher crime rate there is less pressurizing. It's not a 24/7 issue. And you can afford a Car and House.
1) To maintain the property bubble of all bubbles and not let it collapse like the US/Spainish property bubble, which will of course destroy all the 4 banks, including that of temasek and the Tan familee, their only solution is to .... import more FT!
ReplyDelete2) If not more FT influx to pay into the CPF, how to sustain the ponzi CPF scheme, your money is no longer there, so how to repay you when you retire?
3) Only inflation, and high inflation, will allow those sillipireans who bought 3, 4 or 8 properties to repay their mortgages, and the government to collect enuf taxes to pay their ever bigger government salary packages. Only high inflation will allow the banks to pay back the USD loans they took to fund this credit binge. Everything is in nominal terms, nothing is "real".
See the root of the problem: Sinkapore, unlike Taiwan Korea or any of our Asian peers (except the middle eastern oil rich countries), have lost forever our ability to manufacture, no thanks to this inflationary route chosen by GCT's team and now perpetuated by LHL. The only way to pay for anything, is via the mother of all property inflationary bubble. You can say they have learnt well from the yankees, or say they are really bankrupt in ideas, but this is what we must now face until 2030.
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/01/hong-kong-high-density-residential.html
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_population_density
ReplyDeleteDear PAP supporters.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how you can sleep at night.
Can sleep because these fellows are either not aware of what's happening, or they have an iron mindset, or they are blind. Whatever it is, they are stupid.
DeleteWhy would my son serve NS in future if the sole purpose is to give foreigners a sense of security while my boy is digging trenches? The elites have Gurkhas to protect them and the foreigners have true blue S'poreans for that purpose. The old guards of PAP will be turning in their graves.
ReplyDeleteNot ALL of the guards.
DeleteWow... I have never seen so much outrage here! I'm wondering if PAP is still sleeping at the wheel and unaware of the anger.
ReplyDeleteNative Singaporeans are not producing so the red bar in the chart should be shrinking instead of increasing over time. Oh, now I see that by 2030, over 60% of the population will not be native born Singaporeans!
"Ms Indranee added: “We have not misread and we have not forgotten the message that the electorate has given.”
ReplyDeletehttp://ifonlysingaporeans.blogspot.sg/2013/01/punggol-east-by-election-campaign-18-jan.html
We are from the PAP.
We are here to serve you.
ROFL
Ronald Reagan: "The 9 most frightening words in English: 'We are from the government, here to help you'"
DeleteSg version: "We are from the PAP, here to tax you"
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002708-the-evolving-urban-form-hong-kong
ReplyDeleteF**k them liars. The ordinary citizen live in squeeze pigeon hole in heartland. Their cronie, rich FTs and elites in D 9,10 landed properties.
ReplyDeleteTeu nia seng
ReplyDeleteI feel very sad. The death of the two young boys in Tampines by the cement-mixer is a symbolic reminder of how our children will also face mortality when the driver of population-mixer do so carelessly.
ReplyDeleteJust like the Ferrari driver who killed innocent people on our road was the ominous sign of the huge influx of foreigners are doing to our locales.
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." ~~ George Bernard Shaw
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_Hong_Kong
ReplyDeleteHelp me out here. How do you square the fact that "Singaporeans will form the core and heart of the nation" with "More than half of population by 2030 will be foreigners"?
ReplyDeleteThat is like saying "WP will form the majority of the Parliament" and "More than 2/3 of the seats will be occupied by PAP"..? Huh??!!
IF you want to sell me 6:1 working adults today currently support 1 elderly, and the future ratio will be 2:1, then tell me what share of the foreigners will be supporting me in old age ? As a single, I have to tolerate that my tax dollars are not only going to parents with children's, but also going to give all the wonderful perks and support to the foreigners today. So who in the IPS or the LHL GOVT can tell me, when I;m old and frail, which group of this two are going to guarantee that I will have free pension when I get to 60/70s years old and can no longer find work because I've been replaced by these people? Are you giving me free medical and home care all the way through my death bed, or do you expect me to sell back my only HDB flat so you can hold me ransom in order I pay for my own care or leave me to die in JB? You think I stupid or what?
The heart is a very Small organ compared to the rest of the body. Hence, Sporeans can form the heart of the nation.
DeleteIf you get to work till you are 60 or 70, fall on your knees with gratitude. Right now, you're on the scrap heap at 40. Unless you've held a rank in the army. Then you will be presented with a company or two to run, or 64 or 65 directorships. Otherwise, sit down and shut up. Preferably in Johor.
This is what the WP says on Page 20:-
Delete//At home, we want to see more sharing of parental responsibilities between husband and wife, and support from grandparents to help nurture our children.//
Do they mean great grandparents? Because the grandparents are still busy working in order to sustain the high cost of living through old age leh...
If this white paper were presented before BE, I wonder Dr Koh would still have his deposit to collect or not.
Methinks the idea of 6:1 or 2:1 support ratio is irrelevant. Since we have CPF system in place where elderlies are not allowed to withdraw even at retirement age, plus there's no welfare system here, this data is useless.
DeleteMuch better you ask the govt what is the ratio of SC NS men: NON SC/PR & Foreigners?!! I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is 1 NS man supporting 6 PRs/Foreigners !!!
Stupidity cannot be cured. We need to replace the brain.
ReplyDeleteIn another 17 years ie. 2030, those who are entering the workforce now in their early 20s will be severely affected as they will get into their prime in the 40s, competing with these foreigners all along. If as son/daughter of SG, I have to work and live here at such a high cost with no clear advantage per se, why don't I just migrate or move to other 2nd/3rd cities where the cost are lower, no GST and my expat pay is higher while the foreign talents are equally strong? Why bother to stay? Hotel SG sounds just fine to me. oh, is that why there are so many of us refusing to return home?
ReplyDeleteNot only are young single Singaporeans not willing to stay, even NTDP also cannot guarantee the children of the newly converted SC will.
DeleteImagine if the parents convert to SC, the children also become SC and will hold dual citizenship until 21 when they have to elect which to keep. But that is beside the point. If they do dodge NS, they will not remain in Singapore. But their parents (the 1st generation SCs) will, and the parents will contribute to those who are aged in 2030-2050. So projecting to 2030, where is the younger SCs from today's new SCs? In fact, the newer SCs are adding to the aging population and the social cost which we are now paying through our noses!
Does the math all add up, people?
Seems they are really telling Singaporeans to get out of their elite face. Makes a real mockery of National Conversation, when they take all they heard as noises and continue to do as they deem fit.
ReplyDeleteI think the 60% daft Sinkies are going to regret their choices. They have done an injustice to their children and grandchildren by mortgaging the country to the PAP to do as it pleases. God help us, but Singaporeans have to help themselves come 2016.
Here is an example of how a PAP politician will cope with the demand for increased amenities:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tremeritus.com/2013/01/30/mp-lee-bee-wah-i-dont-wish-to-engage-rude-resident-further/
They will organize more golfing trips!
Joke of having zero foresight>
ReplyDeleteAhLong: Daddy, Daddy, I lost the BE. How ah?
Daddy: Punish them lah.
AhLong: How ah?
Daddy: Import more aliens to squeeze them lah.
Read this old article in 2008. LKY said he would reduce the pop size to 5-5.5m as optimal. 1 GE, 1 PE, 2 BE and 5 years later, PM Lee is now back to where his fathers position was....7m by 2030.
ReplyDeleteYou tell me PAP change? I say Pigs can fly and more spurs in their hides are needed! Then they up their game, and responded to us that 2m more spurs in our hides are needed!! Swell, just swell...Let's see if the Party or the Citizens have the political will. This is an interesting time indeed.
http://www.littlespeck.com/content/lifestyle/CTrendsLifestyle-080213.htm
ReplyDeletewhat protest on Feb 16?, where ?
PAP need a brain flush .. they are definitely not getting my vote
"PAP need a brain flush ..."
DeleteThat's why the colo-rectal surgeon was recruited to be a PAP member.
Special discounts will be given to PAP members who require surgical procedures for their brains.
As a Singaporean who left the country to work overseas(simply because I could not find a job no matter how hard I tried, and was recognized ironically for my qualifications overseas),I would say that you might want to check out www.transitioning.org to see if that protest is really worth it, or whether it is a rabid and one-sided event.
DeleteExcuse me, Tuck yew, are you ready to see such a scene?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=585499251465067&set=a.378177495530578.106131.378167172198277&type=1&theater
Maybe this is PAP's version of "You shall repent if you vote for the opposition", LKY's brand of retaliation against those who did not pay heed to his warning.
ReplyDeleteWith hindsight, should we not have asked LKY what kind of repentance is he threatening us then ?
It is all just in the name of GDP that they are doing this whole population ponzi scheme. The higher the GDP, the more profits that the incumbent can pocket for themselves in the short and long run while the going is still not going to ruin Singapore and cause its total collapse yet. The other possible reason is to import as many possible new citizens who can potentially vote for the incumbent out of gratitude and hence squash all forms of opposition such as pro-opposition voters amongst Singaporeans, so that they can remain in power without any checks.
ReplyDeleteAs of this moment, they can't even solve the current problems of skyhigh housing/property & coe prices, overcrowding, public transport, shortage of hospital beds, long queues at polyclinics & public hospitals, kindergarden up to university places, etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd now they talk BIG about MORE & MORE people ?
WTF is PAP actually doing ??????
The Singaporean term for it is 'wayang', making a show of something when they are doing nothing at all to improve a situation which is bad.
DeleteThe son of the old hero must be the worst PM that we can ever bargained for !!!!
ReplyDeleteThere have only been 3 Prime Ministers ever in Singapore's history, and the current one got all his ideas from his predecessor and before his predecessor, his father. The apple does not fall far from the tree. The former 2 were not even half as goodhearted either!
DeleteI only have 1 question. If they say we need to double our population (from those 3.5m days many years ago) or we will die..I want them to tell me HOW they are going to double the food supply for 7m population.
ReplyDeleteWho are the people producing and repackaging the food commodities? First Choice? NTUC? Who are the ones science-farming the fishes/meat and have a stake in cell growth of these mammals? Who are the corporation who are selling GMO foods that are not labeled under our Ministry of Environment while its citizens eat away to more tumor growth? Who are the hospitals where beds and queues are constantly full with sick patients with no free healthcare? Go trace all these money and corporations, and you'll understand what our govt is trying to tell us when it means "sustainable"...for whom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uem2ceZMxYk
Do we even have enough shit water for 7million population?
DeleteHow about say $500 per month for a water conservation tax for every household?
WTF PAP leaders have man head pig brains?
Don't worry. V. Bala can easily create permanent ponding without lifting a finger.
DeleteBack in 2007, the then MND minister Mah Bow Tan said that his ministry has planned for 6.5 million population. The current population hasn't even reached 6m (not to mention 6.5m) and we already feel a severe shortge of public housing and living spaces.
ReplyDeleteNow, the PAP ministers are telling us again no to worry because they are plnning infrastructure for 6.9m. I can't trust these cocked up planners nymore
PAP will always be PAP. Telling us half truths and twisted facts. Teo Chee Hean still thinks google doesn't exist. A simple google would reveal that his comments on S'pore being less densely populated than HK is pure lies
ReplyDeleteMr. Prime Minister,
ReplyDeleteWhat the FUCK do you want to have a National Conversation if you are not going to listen to the people anyway?
Are you telling me you are a hypocrite?
You are real daft if you think National Conversation is for them to listen when they handpick their own people to attend. NatCon is for them to win you over, to make you think that it is for your benefit that they continue to screw you.
DeleteIf they had released this White Paper before the Punggol East by-election, PAP sure FINISHED or HABIS!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLee Hsien Loong, Fuck You!
ReplyDeleteThey are not called Pro Alien Traitors for nothing you know.
ReplyDeleteThe leopard will never change its spots. Despite the appalling result for the PAP during the recent by-election, they are still in the state of denial and thinking that their long term fix for such an event is to increase the population. Thus, eroding the cohesiveness that we have as true blue Singaporeans. 2016 is vital for all of us if we want to stay "afloat". Vote these scum bags out once and for all!!!
ReplyDeleteGo to Facebook - EDMW Loves Singapore Photos. There is a good illustration of Singapore 2030.
ReplyDeletePAP MIW Joke
ReplyDelete++++++++++++=
Now I know why we may need a colo-rectal surgeon to become a Minister.
Singaporeans' arseholes will need a lot of loving care with a "6.9" million population.
Did you hear the online scream of pain when the 6.9 million number was inserted into the Singaporean?
It is NOT Hotel Singapore Inc.
ReplyDeleteIt is CASINO HOTEL SINGAPORE INC.
Pay and Profit (PAP) thru GIC, Temasek and MAS bet with our $$$ in international markets.
GDP Growth chart is more volatile than stock market indices - spiking GDP growth from a low base maximizes Ministerial Bonuses, eh? Why pay National Bonus every year instead of over the entire electoral term?
That Khaw Beh Khaw Bor now admitted that he has asked HDB to delink the HDB BTO flat prices from that of resale flats since he took over the Ministry. What does "delink" means if we actually do not have the actual figures to back it up ?
ReplyDeleteDoes that mean the HDB has OVERCHARGED those previous buyers for their BTO flats and are they going to refund these buyers ? Is he not an Idiot Minister to admit this now ?
Is he going to release the actual real cost of a BTO flat to us to show us the real subsidy that he still insist makes our HDB flats affordable ?
It is still meaningless if the Minister still does not reveal the real facts about a real subsidy ?