“55% is too close to the all important threshold of 50% majority.”
“The roadmap proposed in the White Paper will further dilute our national identity.”
“Indigenous Singaporeans feel under siege.”
“for the Singapore core to be strong, the core must be strongly Singaporean in values, worldview, culture, sense of place and history, and network of friends and family.”
“new citizens see Singapore through through a different lens, and can equally make a decision to leave if the circumstances change.”
If the cabinet had not been dominated by the traitorous turncoats, Lim would have received a standing ovation for the pièce de résistance: The government has gotten its priorities the wrong way round. Instead of having a sustainable population for a dynamic Singapore, it should be “A Dynamic Population for a Sustainable Singapore”.
Quoting population expert, Frederick Meyerson, she pointed out that immigration is “essentially a one-way policy tool with permanent or long-term social, economic and environmental consequences, and it cannot be reversed without human rights violations”. Her party opposes the Population White paper because its road map will dilute national identity and shrink the ranks of born-and-bred Singaporeans to a minority. As a Eurasian, Christopher de Souza must have felt this was a bit too close to home. His own race has been thinned over the years, a pale shadow of the glory days of the likes of David Marshall and E.W. Barker.
Another point Ms Lim brought up is that immigrants grow old and consume public services as well, adding to the burden of the national budget. She asked the obvious question, “Who will support them when they grow old?" By that time, it may be very difficult to try to solve our population needs through improving TFR, but instead another White Paper may be introduced to justify bringing in even larger numbers of immigrants. She only missed the bit that most immigrants also bring in aged parents, which makes mockery of the dubious claim that newcomers "refresh" the age profile.
Isn't it nice to have our heart felt thoughts articulated in parliament for a change?
Exactly true, we can't feather our own Singaporean's nest, if all the cowbirds of the world can invade it.
ReplyDeleteEspecially when you've only invited 700, but an additional 300 of the in-laws flock also showed up. But I suppose that would be worse-case for us, just-in-case for MW and best-case for hospitals and funeral parlors, eh.
Good to have MP Sylvia Lim speaking up fir us.
ReplyDeleteAm sadden that she added that compromised number of 5.9 million.
The population right now, should be at least 5.3 million and it is all ready too much.
How long will the "coverment" take to put in place all the infrastructures to bring us up to speed ?
3 years time ? 1 year or 4 years ?
/// How long will the "coverment" take to put in place all the infrastructures to bring us up to speed ? ///
DeleteThis is an easy question.
How quickly can we remove this PAP government?
And install in a more competent and representative coalition government of our Alternative Parties who truly represent the interest of all Singaporeans.
PAP is really an Opposition Party in disguise.
They seem opposed to the better welfare of all Singaporeans.
Re : 5.9 million.
DeleteBear in mind, we're already at 5.3 million today. 5.9 million is just +0.6 million in 17 years time. As Gerald Giam clarified, almost all the +0.6 million increase comes from "organic growth", ie. birth from native Singaporeans, not injection of PR or foreigners. This is the sustainable way to grow. WP is not proposing cutting the number of foreigners yet because the restructuring of S'pore's economy will take time. But its essentially saying, we're maxed out on our "credit card debt" and lets learn to live with what we have.
Bingo, we have a winner... the 2nd last paragraph is what we all need to know, clearly shows that the emperor has no clothes. Why is he naked? Consider this:
ReplyDeleteLuke: Is the dark side stronger?
Yoda: No, no. No. Quicker, easier, more seductive
Groupthinking destroyed their already small thinking capacity? Bonus-hungry civil servants all ready to believe Singaporean populace is as dumb as Li Ao claimed hence unable to see the illogical part of their "import and kick the can down the road" strategy?
Or maybe just hoping the elites and intellectuals would bury their conscience and go along if the PAP throws enough crumbs at them?
Who knows, bottom line, they are the dark side.
everytime the pap is engaged in a real debate - not those managed "debates" with sycophants, grassroot leaders and jc students - we see their pathetic quality of thought and substance for which they have deemed themselves worthy of millions in renumeration.
ReplyDeletePAP is just a big employment agency. We are being run like a company, not a country, NS is irrelevant and totally unnecessary. No government in the world would rule with less than 70% citizens, let alone less than 50%. I really have doubts about our current leadership. Would the PAP/leaders have 50% foreign membership? Would be nice to see the tussle for control.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Sylvia.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Aljunied voters, for sending Sylvia into Parliament.
When the "salary cut" was implemented, they ostensibly removed the GDP bonus. BUT they replaced that with a new "National Bonus", which includes GDP growth rate as one of the incentives. Still think they are on the side of Singaporeans? Tan Chuan Jin was lying like Teo Chee Hean when he said the Government's goal was to "generate the level of growth which we can provide for our people."
ReplyDeleteAny surplus budget generated by Singaporeans is transferred to the reserves.
DeleteAnd only an independent (previous PAP member) President can unlock.
So where is the money going to come from?
Only from the bank accounts of Singaporeans AND working Singaporeans to death
bro, that applies only to ministers. The top civil servants salary and bonus structure was promised to be reviewed but NEVER happened, unless I missed it. GDP bonus is still pegged to 3% minimum growth, therein lies the strong internal support for FT. The politicians cannot move unless the pen pushers in the Admin Service who work for the Perm Secs. This is what is failing Singapore - a totally incompetent and self-serving top echelon of the civil service, people who boast of their french riviera cooking holidays, people who fucked up the transport, helathcare, education, TLCs/GLCs, bromptongate, FT policies, casinoes, legal system, people who serve side by side Mr Ng B gay and milk the system until they grow too fat for the public not to see. The problem goes well beyond the PAP.
DeleteAfraid that a good speech does not move a mountain. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteThen a good show up MUST move the mountain. Get everyone, friends and family to go for the protest at Hong Lim. If you can't, please wear black top on that day, wherever you are, to show your politicians and businesses that you are objecting to their bullying!!
Deletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-06/singaporeans-plan-protest-as-parliament-debates-population-boost.html
It is good to have spirit. But Singaporeans are practical people, and most will still vote for stability.
DeleteSpeaking of President. Where is the President that claims to speak for the singaporeans? Yet all very silent.
ReplyDeleteIt makes my blood boils when I learn about the doings of PAP. They purport to serve the people; in reality they are serving themselves to preserve and grow their vested interests. PAP is a goner, they are now irrelevant and belongs to the history book.
ReplyDeleteI've seen performers at Cirque du Soleil go through fewer contortions than the sommersaults attempted by PAP to justify population ponzi scheme.
ReplyDeleteThe TCH-TCJ-AK effort is simply another entry in "don't look over there, just look at what we say" balderdash. They don't really understand the damage they're doing - not just to their reputation but to the country. Because they and their ilk truly do not see how we are coming apart at the seams.
After the caucophony then what? Is the WP going to organise anything or support anything that is being organised to prevent the impending disaster the Sylvia Lim talks about? Will they be at the Speakers Corner on 16th February?
ReplyDeleteWhat about you?
DeleteIn GE 2016, votes matter.
Have you converted your quota of one PAP supporter into an Opposition voter yet?
Indeed I have, have you?
DeleteI got 5 converted voters so far.
DeleteHow about you?
Excellent. We are on the same side.
DeleteA debate about Singaporeans' future degenerated into concern about supplying foreign workers to foreign companies.
ReplyDeleteThose people are more interested to be foreign worker agents.
Where is the focus on Singaporeans?
/// Where is the focus on Singaporeans? ///
DeleteIn 3 year's time at GE 2016.
SG should issue a 20 years COE for New Citizen , only those not exceeding 30 years old are allowed & must leave when he reaches 50, of course can renew his/her COE by paying a Market Rate - win win win situation !!!
ReplyDeleteWow, great speech, showing her maturity and understanding of the people's aspiration and plight. I daresay there is now none among the PAP MPs including the PM who can overtake her in clarity, analytical skill, and sincerity in explanation.
ReplyDeleteI have also heard the great speeches of Chen Show Mao and Gerald Giam.
Why am I seeing so many great speeches from the WP and none from the PAP?
It makes me feel that the time is now ripe for a change of government.
YOu don't have TCJ's speech any good when he used GG as a punching bag" instead of CSM? Something to the extent of "great rhetoric, but how does that translate to practical solutions..can you spell out ideas"?
DeleteWP can suddenly change and go with the flow ie. vote in favour of the white paper..
ReplyDeleteOnly Inderjit Singh is talking the truth...and the facts just make you boil. Not forgetting that 70% of PR whose kids grew/educated here DID NOT serve NS!!!
ReplyDeleteSo what do we gain? + 2 PRs who will contribute to the elderly data!!!
#@&%$ PAP
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Reconsider the dependents policy - I have come across a number of cases where our targeted one child from China brings in 2 parents who then bring 2 parents each as their dependents - Net is that we gain one young one child who we brought in for our future but also inherited 6 older people - making our ageing population issue worse not better.
This is a fact.
DeleteI have observed the same.
It's not the Alien's fault.
They are human beings and will want to look after their parents.
If Singaporeans emigrated, we would also want to be treated the same way.
The fault lies squarely with our overpaid Traitors.
No brains. No talent.
No foresight.
Only competency they have is that they are blindly loyal to PM Lee and not to Singaporeans.
Vote the Traitors out in GE 2016.
You forgot the increase of women molest cases has also gone up in the MRT trains. Soon we will be like Japan, need men/women segregation of carriage cabin.
DeleteThis is what a Pro Singaporean White Paper should look like;
ReplyDeletehttp://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-left-could-learn-nordic-countries-next-supermodel
"The fault lies squarely with our overpaid Traitors." - I totally agree.
ReplyDeleteVote the traitors out. It will vote out the 7m population, vote out all those good for nothings and their big houses, big cars and big fat salaries.
ReplyDeleteChan Chun Sing said bottom 20% have only seen a 0.1% increase in their salary increase. In other words, if they earn $1000 10 years ago, their pay increase today is $1010. Enough to buy 2 rolls of toilet papers.
ReplyDeleteIf you tell me this is quality of living for the peasants, then you won't be hard to see where 2030 is headed.
Any idea why our PAP Govt does not see the need for any central agency to register those who are unemployed for whatever reasons?
ReplyDeleteBecause if they have such an agency, there is no way they can lie about our jobless figures, I suppose. All this while we are told that the more foreigners we have, the more jobs are being created for Singaporeans.
But they don't have an iota of facts to prove this is so. For all we know, they could be lying and NOBODY can tell if they want to be dishonest, isn't it?
Is that why the LFPR still has some room to grow, as Chen Show Mao alluded? If 1% increase means 30,000 people will re-join the workforce, then that is alot of untapped potential in the 1 million of residents who are inactive today!! Gosh, and Tan Chuan Jin has tried to quick smoking how many times already?
DeleteFor those MPs who spoke against this Silly White Paper, thank you, you have a heart and you are at the side of Singapore.
ReplyDeleteAnd as for those who close their eyes and ears while singing praises of it (for whatever reasons best know to themselves), I hope very soon you will be drown in the saliva of those foreigners you brought in.
omfg ..... starhub starting to block blogger sites
ReplyDeleteneed to use other service providers to access these blog .... shake head!!!
when will the other ISP start using their own initiative to prevent access too?
Can't believe Khaw is pushing for endorsement of the land use for 6.9m population!
ReplyDeletePeople are voicing out against the wedding, and here he is, trying to sell us that the banquet venue should be at the Westin Hotel that has seating capacity of 1000 pax! Does he even know whether he only needed a capacity venue in Royal hotel for 700 pax! But here's the best part -- NOBODY is approving the marriage!!!! So no guests are invited!!!! Get it??!
Yeah. And ESM Goh is providing the usual irony. Does he even know that if the citizens went ahead with this policy, we are just kicking the can further down the road for our children?
DeleteSo between the then-PM & now-PM, was it sensitivity or was it cowardice that they had not tackled the aging issue earlier? We are talking about 2.5 decades of time lost. Leading us to why it is now labeled a Silver Tsunami because we are 17 years away? Whatever happens to the Govt who is not afraid of tough policy? It's become clear where the mismanagement and execution of both our Birth and Aging policies have been, and now we can add Population too.
Time matters. We have waited too long and get caught in the low-fertility trap, with high aging and we want to solve it with massive importation. The people have misplaced their trust in PAP and you have very little credibility left. You have just lost 6 votes from our family.
Jane.
DeleteDon't stop at just the 6 votes in your family.
60% of your friends & family voted PAP.
You need to convince & convert them too.
Not only is White Paper textbook wrong, but it's also off the reality chart.
ReplyDeletePAP should do an Survivor experiment. Pack 6,900 visitors into Istana, build shelters to house them, provide food and medical care for 40 days. Have the Ministers join them since thy love them so much and share shelters and whatever little comfort available. Transport within Istana is via COE pricied bicycles. Have ERP gantry to control bicycles traffic.
ReplyDeleteThen ask the President, PM and the ministers whether Singapore can increase any more population or not after 40 days of bonding with visitors at Istana.
“55% is too close to the all important threshold of 50% majority.”
ReplyDeleteThis so-called 55% core includes those new and instant citizens in the recent past, present and future. The true blue born-and-bred-in-Singapore core will be less than half.
" Isn't it nice to have our heart felt thoughts articulated in parliament for a change?"
ReplyDeleteAlas, the 13 supporting the opposition of this White Paper was still insufficient to reverse the motion similar to a GE "walk-over" scenario. Until we have more counterchecking voices and voting rights in Parliament, the best we can hope for is just to be heard.
Wake up, dear born-and-bred fellow Singaporeans.
wasn't David Marshall a fully blooded Iraqi Jew ?
ReplyDeletequite a few famous ones in Singapore, notably the Sassoons who own Coffee Bean and Harry Elias